Vonage Fraud?

The End??

Posted in Uncategorized by JEM on April 15, 2010

I am overdue in updating this site regarding my specific situation.

For those who have followed the events related to my awful experience with Vonage that I have described in this blog, my particular story has come to a satisfactory end. And I have to say, that the people — and the primary person I was assigned to work with on this — were stellar.

My wish is that this trickled all the way down and throughout the company.

I will write more on this in the days to come. But I thought it important to at least provide this quick update in order to not leave this published story open ended.

To the person who so deftly handled both this situation and me, thank you. You went what I perceived to be above the call of duty. You were flexible and most generous. And gracious all the way through.

Given the balance of my interaction and experience with Vonage, I have been left wondering, half smiling, why you were at Vonage??

My very best to you…

Apple – My Point Exactly

Posted in Uncategorized by JEM on March 10, 2010

Apple is World’s Most Admired Company for the third year in a row!

I’ll just cut and paste nuggets from the the CNN Money posting of the Fortune Magazine report, which you can find at http://bit.ly/aNWVRi

“What exactly does it mean to be admired? Whether you call it a sterling reputation, integrity, or trust, this aspect of a company’s DNA can seem like an imprecise concept in the numbers-driven world of business. But for the companies on the list, trust and integrity are not just vague terms: They’re durable assets with a financial payoff. And in 2009 trust took center stage. As Ken Chenault, CEO of American Express (No. 29), puts it, “The competitive advantage of trust has never been more important or more valuable.”

So which company does business admire most? Even among this select group there is a clear leader: For the third straight year Apple (AAPLFortune 500) takes the No. 1 spot — this time by the highest margin ever, according to Hay Group, the management consulting firm that collaborates with Fortune on the list. Indeed, in 2009, 51% of corporate leaders surveyed said they admired Apple, an unprecedented majority.

Says Norbert Reithofer, CEO of BMW (No. 22): “Apple’s customers are more than customers — they’re fans.”

Google (GOOGFortune 500) comes close to achieving that kind of trust and brand loyalty too — after all, businesses and consumers trust that Google will tell them exactly what they need to know simply because they ask it to — so it’s fitting that the search giant notched up to claim the No. 2 spot.”

It’s not easy to get onto this list. But it’s also not easy to get a consistently nasty reputation over several years either. You have to try really hard, or tolerate incompetence across many parts of a company.

With both Apple and Google already offering mobile telephony products, and very much entrenched in the Internet/network world and combined, holding numbers 1 and 2 on this Most Admired list, maybe we’ll see a competitive product from one or both of them in a year or two. It would make a lot of sense from a brand extension standpoint. Now wouldn’t that be a nice alternative to consider. Google Voice is one toe in the water already.

Slingbox Media (www.Slingbox.com) can let you watch your own television programming (cable service channels + DVR recordings + you can set DVR recordings) from any networked computer in the world, or even from your iPhone or Blackberry (and yes, it’s easy to set up, and it works!!).

Serious network based telephony competitors will surely spring up in the near future if Slingbox can do what they do. In the mean time, just monitor your credit cards for extra charges.  :)

RMA Update

Posted in Uncategorized by JEM on March 10, 2010

Today I am to get RMAs, one for each Vonage device that I received for each phone number I ordered back when I was super enthusiastic about becoming a customer. Really. There was a time when I couldn’t wait to be a customer. Even during the first several days of working with Margaret in technical support, I was still pumped up, wanting to believe I was going to be a happy customer. I was singing Vonage praises to friends and family until one day I realized that this was not working as advertised. It was not plug and play, at least not for me.

Today, a member of their legal team will be sending my RMAs to me.

If you go back to my entry on March 7 entitled “Rhea”, I noted that Rhea refused to give me any RMAs (just like the customer service representative I spoke to before her). After a lengthy conversation with her, she finally buckled and promised to email me one RMA to cover all devices within 24 to 48 hours. I’m not sure why it would take that long to find one number. That alone didn’t give me much confidence in Vonage customer service.

I, of course, was skeptical — and, of course, I had reason to be. I never did get that email.

Rhea, like everyone I had contact with at Vonage customer service (not to be confused with technical support) was resistant in doing what was right — and with attitude. The exception to this are the seven representatives who hung up on me the second I uttered the word “cancel”… seven representatives in a row, seven in the span of 10 minutes. I’m not kidding. I couldn’t believe it was happening.

I pity the countless customers who are still trying to no longer be a customer, people who could not get their Vonage service to work. Hopefully they learn about the Executive Response Team through forums like this one. And although I experienced an odd false start with the team, I did eventually (quickly) experience an appropriate response.

Response Team Responds

Posted in Uncategorized by JEM on March 10, 2010

(Originally posted March 9, 2010)

It’s unfortunate that it took these measures to get the appropriate things done. But it appears that matters will finally be taken care of as they should have been taken care of in the first place, at least in the opinion of most reasonable people, I would think.

Today I got voice mails from several representatives in Vonage’s Executive Response Team. Odd. But at least they’re responding. And I got a voice mail from their legal department.

Their legal representative and I actually connected by telephone this evening, and it appears that I’ll get those RMAs for all of the Vonage devices I am to send back – by the close of business tomorrow. Why it took a lawyer to get those numbers, I don’t know. Seems like an expensive way to operate a business. Having said that, if you can systematically charge people for something they didn’t get, there’s a lot of money to be made. Hmm.

As I said, it’s too bad it required such an effort to get the right thing done. Had I simply kept calling customer service, there is no way I would have gotten a resolution that was appropriate.

In my mind, things are still broken over there. Whether it’s intentional or not is for someone else to determine. All I can say is that it sure felt intentional. And from what I’ve read on the Internet over the past few days, the stories all seem to corroborate that perspective. Here’s another example:  http://bit.ly/csQ2nP

I’ve been in situations where company representatives have dropped balls in the process of serving their customers. I know what that feels like. This was not the same feeling. You just need to re-read the postings on this site to get a sense of what this experience was like.

What to do next? I don’t know. Clearly I need to express that my situation was resolved to the conclusion that I felt was appropriate. But it took way too much effort to get to this point. And it involved our new social media environment to help get the job done.

It also took one of my credit card banks to utter the word “fraud” during my attempt to dispute the Vonage charges. I don’t know what will come of that. I suspect that my list of card charges won’t be enough… unless they do a summary review of the number of Vonage disputes registered over some period of time. Who knows. But they were definitely taken aback by the situation. And they were definitely going to look into it.

Back to the use of social networking, it’s been much talked about for the past decade or so. How do you control people’s perspectives, and their right to freely express their opinions, in a medium you also can’t control. By its very nature, it allows people to connect with each other from around the world, let alone from within a country… and even more so within the “boundaries” of a special interest group. It’s too easy to find people who are interested in the same topic as you are interested in, and to bond together very quickly.

No company can stop that. Smaller ones have a chance at communicating with individuals that are expressing themselves about their products or services… because the number of customers is small.

But big companies? It’s a problem that is not yet solved, and may never be solved. And it’s a BIG problem. I’ve studied it as part of what I do for a living. And from what I can tell, the only way to avoid developing a seriously negative reputation in the online social media circles, is to build and maintain a company that does their customers right, at all levels. Just talking about it doesn’t work anymore. It’s not a one way mass communication model anymore.

Customers have WAY more input and power over a brand than before. And, for those of us who have studied brand management… we know that the company never owned the brand in the first place. It is the customer that owns the brand. What we experience defines, in our minds, what the brand is about. It’s just that these days, we have the ability to share our experiences with people we don’t even know… in a matter of days, hours, or even minutes.

After not getting my situation resolved last week, and getting a real attitude from each  person in customer support that I talked to, then not getting a call back from even a representative of Marc Lefar’s office, well, it took all of a half hour to grab an internet domain name, sign up with a blogging service provider, bring the two together, and publish my first posting. Putting up additional postings takes minutes. And making others on the Internet aware of the site is child’s play if you know what you are doing.

By the time Monday morning rolled around, well, a lot of people had already become very familiar with what I was getting told by Vonage representatives, that even though Vonage never got the service to work for me, I was still going to have to pay for the service for the month we tried to make it work, plus, I was going to have to pay a cancelation fee, and they were not going to give me any RMA numbers (permission numbers to allow me to send back their devices so I don’t get charged for them as well).

The traffic build up on the site surprised even me. I guess it’s true that misery loves company.

Opinions can have ground swells. But they don’t all have to be bad. I’ll turn to Apple again. Apple’s products are not perfect either. I’ve had to bring mine in for various reasons. But Apple always take care of me. Always. I never feel like I’ve had to convince them that the problem was theirs and not mine. And even when it turns out to be “user error”, I’m always left feeling even better about the company than what I felt about them as I walked into one of their stores 20 minutes before. So I buy more of their stuff, knowing that I’ll be taken care of if something doesn’t work. And I’m not going to be left feeling stupid if I was the one who messed the contraption up.

And it’s not just my opinion. Comb the Internet and you’ll see that it’s the pervasive opinion. Comb the Internet on Vonage and you get the opposite opinion. Including some story I picked up along the way over the weekend about Marc Lefar, their CEO, getting some kind of new jet or an upgraded one or something like that, in the wake of the company’s poor performance.

Customers may shake their heads at that and think this guy doesn’t care about doing the right thing. What do the employees in the company think??? They must certainly feel like crap about it. And likely become disenfranchised at best. So even if they are not trained to put customers through what I got put through, they may just treat customers like crap because they’re working in a place where their CEO is blatantly draining the place while the company and its people are struggling.

It’s another example of a lack of simple business ethics and decency. Where did that go? Where are the stand up people in Vonage?

To be candid, the lawyer I spoke to this evening did not seem to fit that mold. I wonder what he’s doing there. And as I had mentioned before (or maybe it was in one of my emails to the company), my experience with their technical support person (Margaret) was the best technical support experience I have ever had. Ever. Whoever is training and running that group should be running the company. Unless Margaret is an isolated example. What an outstanding experience. (Thank you, Margaret. My evenings seem empty not talking with you for hours on end!)

What to do next, I don’t know. Just because my situation with Vonage will be solved by the end of tomorrow doesn’t mean other people are no longer going to struggle with exactly the same issues. I’ll figure it out in the days to come.

Maybe Vonage customers need an external forum where they can document what they’re experiencing, and hopefully someone at Vonage is reading it and responding to it. A lot of big companies have completely new jobs that they’ve invented to do just that. Comb the Internet to learn what people are saying about them, and then to channel that towards doing something about it. The danger, of course, is that some people don’t know what’s right and what’s wrong.

That communication filter really should be within Vonage itself. At the customer service level. But there is no way that there is such a filter within Vonage. Nothing but push back there. And from what my initial experience was with Vonage’s Executive Response Team, I’m afraid that it’s broken right now too, and not very helpful.

When people feel like they’ve not been done right, they want to be heard. When the party that’s hurting them won’t listen and respond appropriately, they’ll tell anyone else who will listen. It’s human nature. Just think about your personal relationships. It’s not any different there. It’s also the driver of a lot of marital affairs.

Vonage didn’t listen to me no matter how many people I tried to talk to there. So I told anyone who would be willing to listen. Until Vonage truly listens, maybe customers really do need an external vehicle to express themselves through, knowing that at least someone will be listening to them.

It’s only Tuesday. I’ll figure it out. And maybe the team at Vonage can help figure out how to do the right thing at the right levels within the company first time around. But probably not under the current leadership. From what I’ve gleaned, Marc seems too focused on what HE gets out of HIS deal with the company. Until that changes, there may need to be an external forum for customers who are not being listened to.

And perhaps Vonage customers trying to no longer be customers just might get the representation they need at some point down the line if these experiences continue to be as pervasive as they have been.

We’ll see. Things have a way of falling into place. This is just one piece of that puzzle. And with the Internet, you can much more easily find all of the other pieces to put that puzzle together. It may just be a matter of time.

(Be sure to click on the comment link just below this text. It’s author offers a valuable perspective.)

Another Request for RMA Numbers

Posted in Uncategorized by JEM on March 9, 2010

I just made another request for RMA numbers that correspond to the MAC addresses on the backs of each Vonage device. This time, I made the request in writing, in an email to the assigned member of the Vonage Executive Response Team.

I tried to make it clear that this was the only thing I needed at this point.

Let’s see what happens.

Executive Response Team

Posted in Uncategorized by JEM on March 9, 2010

I just got notice from Axxxxx Wxxxxxxx from the Vonage Executive Response Team. In an earlier post, I described how I got an impersonal and general email from her, but at least she gave me her personal contact information — a five digit extension number.

So when I called her, and punched in her extension number, it went into a general voice mail box. How impersonal can a personal voice mail box get???

I wonder how this next attempt will go. Actually, I think I’ll send her an alternate phone number and see what happens. No sense in leaving yet another voice mail in a general voice mail box at the end of a 5 digit extension number.

Sheesh.

Contradictions Galore

Posted in Uncategorized by JEM on March 9, 2010

Yesterday, I got a stream of emails with UPS shipping label to be used to ship the Vonage devices back to them. Generous, because you’re supposed to ship the devices back at your cost, but perhaps someone there has started to understand that if their service never worked for me, then I should not bear ANY cost.

The problem is, according to their policy, I am not to return anything to them without an RMA number (which essentially is a number that gives you permission to ship a device back to the source company). Without that RMA number, you are not authorized to ship the product back, and it can be rejected.

On the other hand, if you don’t ship the product back to Vonage within 14 days of cancelation of service, you will be charged the list price of those devices — $80 a piece.

So, here I have shipping labels with Vonage picking up the tab to ship the units to them, but no RMA number giving me permission to ship the units back to them, thereby risking the shipments being rejected and being returned back to me… and thereby falling outside of the 14 day cut off period.

In a previous post, in which I described my conversation with Rhea, I was told that they would not be issuing me any RMAs, and that I should ship the units to them WITHOUT the RMAs, and that once they receive the shipments, they would then issue the RMAs — which is against their own rules and regs. I asked her to put it in writing. She told me she could not send emails.

So, I got nothing but a verbal… and we all know how much value a verbal is in these instances are.

This company is full of contradictions. No one seems to know what to do except to take full advantage of a customer or someone trying to become a former customer. They have set aside all of the basic ethics one would expect a company would abide by.

All you have to do is dig around the Internet a bit, just a bit, and you will find story after story after story like mine. Just like mine… or worse. This is NOT an isolated incident; an oversight.

This is standard operating procedure for Vonage.

Email from Vonage Executive Response Team

Posted in Uncategorized by JEM on March 8, 2010

Unbelievable. I just got an email from the Vonage “Executive Response Team”, or rather, a representative of the team. I’ll save the representative the embarrassment of exposing her name.

Read the email below. Right at the end. “We look forward to your reply.” MY REPLY? To WHAT? I already detailed my gripe. And now I’m supposed to reply to a “nothing” email?

So I sent her a note, then realized it just goes into a pooled email address… “customercare@vonage.com”. Well, that doesn’t give me any confidence that she’s going to be of much help.

But wait, she gave me her phone number AND her extension. So I called the number, and then punched in her extension. And guess what? It goes into a general voice mail!!! What’s the purpose of giving me her personal extension number if it’s just going to go into a general voice mail???????

See? Another example of how Vonage sidesteps every attempt at having a customer try and get resolution to a problem with their company.

So here it is for the rest of the world to see how idiotic an email they send out in response to a very detailed complaint.

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Dear Mr. xx xxxxx,

I understand that you have an issue that requires immediate attention.  I apologize for the delays you have experienced.  Your issue has been escalated to the Executive Response Team. Your message has been received and I will assist you with your account concerns.

We value you as a customer and strive to offer a great service and, when needed, fast and helpful customer care.  Again, I apologize if you have been dissatisfied in these areas thus far.  I am hopeful we will be able to assist you with a resolution that meets your needs in a timely fashion.

We are dedicated to customer satisfaction.  We look forward to your reply.

Sincerely,

Axxxxxx Wxxxxxxx
Executive Response Team
VONAGE | 23 Main Street | Holmdel, NJ  07733
M-F 9:00am -5:30pm EST
t: 888-580-4020 Ext 22xxx fax: 732-231-6783
UK: 01618706995 ext 22xxx
w: www.vonage.com

Submitted Vonage Fraud Story to TechCrunch.com

Posted in Uncategorized by JEM on March 8, 2010

I just submitted this story to TechCrunch.com. And I urged them to do some digging on the Internet to see just how pervasive Vonage’s practices really are on the subject of billing for services that they never rendered, and then on top of that, charging cancelation fees on the phone numbers that services were never rendered.

I suggested that given the number of stories documented on the Internet, that this was a systemic practice of Vonage, and that my Visa issuer was right… this is fraud.

Submitted Vonage Fraud Story to CNN

Posted in Uncategorized by JEM on March 8, 2010

Just submitted the Vonage fraud story to CNN, and urged them to do just a bit of online research to see just how widespread this story is… how systemic Vonage is about their fraudulent practices.